Mara Wilson: And they SHOULD NOT be grown here! We do not have the climate for them! I like...

People these days will do all kinds of self destructive things for a mid nut

21 November TX-11 CYBEROID

Overheard

I grew up picking pecans and 1000% agree

Mara, I am 100% on your side here. But you can't say "mid nut" and expect me not to giggle till my eyes water

oat milk is the superior milk substitute for everything but oatmeal and that is my own psychological issue because it feels like cannibalism somehow. like eating oats with your oats.

Oats upset my stomach

I like to think of it as reassembling oats

I make oatstraw and milky oat seed (despite how weird it sounds) infusions all the time. Super hydrating, good for POTS.

I disagree, koko coconut is superior in tea, barista oat in literally everything else

*pouring oat milk in oatmeal and calling it vegan oyakodan until I get kicked out of the sushi bar*

It’s a horse feast!

It’s not kosher!

That said I love oatmeal made with oat milk

What's not kosher??? Is it something in the enzymes?

I think they mean it's not Kosher for Passover (since it's a grain). And that Oatly is not kosher certified. But Elmhurst brand is kosher (just not for passover)

20 November Carrie

I interpreted it as a kosher joke about cooking the child (oat) in the mother's (oat) milk...

20 November Anne Kosseff-Jones

Yes this!

‘‘Twas very humorous

I laughed!

20 November Anne Kosseff-Jones

ohhhh sorry I was very literal over here.

I mean surely someone is going to find the info you provided very useful!

The term you are looking for is basar bechalav.

I fully agree I have been saying this for years!

20 November close to ideal

I'm lactose intolerant and shouldn't even be really messing with liquid dairy that much but I didn't (mostly) quit it until oat milk

oat milk has creaminess and it is, at heart, respectable. dignified.

like I don't know but for me putting oatmilk on oats vibes with "don't cook a calf in its own mothers milk" haha. but a friend said she liked it because it was like putting oats back together with their distant friends

see, i use homemade vegetable-scrap stock to make vegetable soup, and kind of revel in the vaguely cannibalistic vibe thereof

I drink oat milk with my oatmeal every morning and feel it’s only a matter of time before I turn into an oat.

Oat milk goes sweet when I use it in cooking, so I use almond milk for that. But I’m in Europe and our almonds come from the Mediterranean.

Bad for bees regardless, which is why I avoid it.

20 November Nikki Jayne

Like a chicken omelette.

20 November The Littlest Oaf

Exactly.

oat milk is super high in carbs so not an option for people with diabetes, insulin resistance, or for cancer patients on a non inflammatory diet such as keto. i wish i could drink oat milk, cuz it's delicious :'(

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No milk is suitable for every diet but that doesn't change the fact that it's the tastiest milk substitute?

it is and it makes me so sad i can't have any 😭

21 November Kendra "Gloom is My Beat" Pierre-Louis

and here I am thinking about switching to oat milk for my granola like the MONSTER I am

20 November Matthew R Francis

Is granola in oat milk like ice cubes in water? Same thing, different form?

as the downthread mentions, it's like seething a kid in its mother's milk — MONSTROUS

20 November Casey

I’ve heard it called ‘Double porridge’.

I completely agree (although rice milk is good with rice porridge somehow). But I'll also add: Oatmilk in tea is not good. It tastes way too oaty.

I prefer soy milk. They’ve been making it for hundreds of years in Asia, although what we get here isn’t the same.

20 November Toffee

I must be very strange.

There's nothing I eat or drink that calls for milk, soy nor almond nor cow.

I never buy it.

20 November Mike Cohen

Soy milk is perfect in tea! For me it's Alpro all the way - not sure how similar or different that is to traditional soy milk...

20 November Mike Cohen

It feels trayf to me. An oat in its own milk.

20 November bread and roses (and housing)

This

Have you ever tried to shecht an oat?

20 November bread and roses (and housing)

Every time I eat tripe I pause to consider how it’s like a form of stomach-on-stomach violence

21 November Kendra "Gloom is My Beat" Pierre-Louis

Hahaha that used to be my favorite cut as a kid and I never once thought of that.

20 November Eric

Yeah same. Eventually I would just make oatmilk, but not strain it out afterwards. Just eat it grits and all

"Would you like an ale with your barley soup?"

21 November Kendra "Gloom is My Beat" Pierre-Louis

we just haven't got that much water! it's completely absurd, there's so many other things that would do great here

my wife works on california water management stuff and we have Opinions about almonds

20 November What time is it? Time to organize

I like almonds. A lot, really. There was a time in my life when I literally lived on almonds. 3 almonds every 3 hours while I was awake as my only meals. And maybe an apple. For the better part of a year. But I'd never have been able to AFFORD pecans. And I live in Georgia.

20 November Micah

Pecans are superior in every way

20 November Micah

Not as good with green beans. And I'm allergic to pecans.

But water matters. I mostly avoid almonds for that reason.

How do cashews compare?

20 November Micah

So many jokes I’m not making.

Except:
I know I’ve been subjected to more than enough mid nut in my life.

It’s time to milk something else…

(I’m sorry)

Apparently almonds require a LUDICROUS amounts of water to grow, and only produces a tiny amount of “almond milk” per gallon of water used

if i'm gonna have to ration water so they can flood the market with non-native nuts they could at least have the decency to be growing cashews 😤

“Why are we destroying our state for, at best, a mid nut” sounds like a talking point for that would come up in a sex workers union meeting

20 November The Real Hoshinka

I say this to myself every time I'm about to bottom

I ugly cackled

20 November Dillon

I hate almonds

No Nutmilk November!!

Where I’m from almond orchards are everywhere and farmers switched from the good shit like peaches and cherries for it. I hate it everyday

Almonds are a trash nut. Pecans are tastier and won't break your teeth.

Can't believe that America will just took a punch to their nuts so hard that they moved permanently!!

Can pecan milk be a thing?

By the way "mid nut" is a great insult for an ex lover

OOF

“mid nut clarity”

Glad somebody said it

Add the English “absolute”-mid nut and it becomes a hornet

"Why are we destroying our state for, at best, a MID nut?!"

this says alot about our society

The history of agricultural commercialism in this country has a strong tendency towards the most-mid, if not actively worst, version of everything.

Hence, also, Red Delicious apples, objectively the Worst Apple.
And Almonds, a nut that *barely* makes for a decent butter, being god-damn everywhere

In our defense, there is a stunning amount of innovation in apples lately. Like we all freaked out about honeycrisps but it's just continuing! Like what the heck is going on here:

The sugarbee is also a tremendous apple.

And I keep hearing fun things about something called, uhhh, a (harrow's black)"Ruby Slipper", I think?

20 November Buttadeus

We live in a grand era of apples. Which I still think are kind of meh.

When I was a kid, people tried to sell me Johnathan and Granny Smith apples as *something to eat*, all by themselves, and by the standards of those dark days we are in a Golden Age of Apples (which thankfully doesn't include those mealy Golden motherfuckers)

20 November Buttadeus

And here's a better breakdown of where it all began

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Work.

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See also the race to the middle that is the brewing industry as a whole.

20 November "Freshly Squeezed" Garak Tailor (She/They)

I don't even drink alcohol, but discovering that beer could taste like something other than the stale horse piss that was advertised everywhere was a revelation that radicalized me in a variety of ways

And naturally contains a not-insignificant amount of cyanide.

I guess each to his own, during my childhood having golden delicious or red delicious was a dream. Certainly at the time I couldn't much compare it to others.

He's got a point about apples. Commercialisation priorities a small number of varieties which sell well in supermarkets. Visit a town market in Poland in autumn, and get awed with the variety of quality of apples sold by growers.

20 November

Oh I didn't doubt that, just made a small addendum that even before the economy of lack, good quality apple was hard to come by

20 November Storlom 🇵🇱🇺🇦

The best apples I've ever eaten were of this variety pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosztela (it's from the end of the 16th century), stolen from my neighbour's orchard when going back from school.

20 November

But (as you can read in the wiki) the fruits are for immediate consumption. You simply can't store them.

So it has no commercial chance in the modern economy.

20 November Storlom 🇵🇱🇺🇦

Ask the Spanish what one can achieve with almonds.

Mid results compared to the Power of the Piñon

20 November Storlom 🇵🇱🇺🇦

Haven't tried that so can't comment.

21 November Richard "Yuletide Dude" Moon

And cantaloupe, the most widely-grown and least flavorful melon.

I cannot stand how much of our water we waste to make almonds and then we just squeeze what tiny juice we can out of those almonds and water it down and call it “milk” there has to be a better way

Part of the problem is of course, billionaires

The owners of the Wonderful company (and Fiji water!), the Reznicks, are one of the big players in utterly fucking ruining the water rights situation in California, and they use it on wasteful ass almonds. Despicable.

Yeah, I did a bunch of research for a report on local politics of SLO county so I know about the Reznicks lol, they also leverage water in that area with wine industry from paso robles on down

20 November toast

and the whole thing with Fiji Water where they're basically just fucking the island over so they can give their square ass bottles to celebrities for marketing

and people here act like new housing developments are causing our water shortages 🫠

when we left the area in 2014 I remember even then a lot of "the aquifers are going to be entirely depleted in just a few years and take decades to recharge" talk and it hasn't improved afaik

they have water rationing for homeowners while vineyards keep planting higher-density vines 🙃🙃🙃

yea

I lived in SLO and Oceano for years, worked at the Tribune

did they ever build that fucking Los Osos water treatment plant or whatever it was

I was there for nine years and they wrangled about it the whole time, and had been for years before then

Yeah I think so? Or at least parts of it, I know when I was doing research in ‘20 I saw articles about “valve turn on” ceremonies

at last

i could have looked it up myself but god, by then i simply did not care.

Final connections were made in 2020, it’s DONE.

yaaay

20 November Marc Reeve

They are quite nice toasted on top of a chicken korma.

Although I tend to use Valencia almonds, being as it's closer.

The amount of water needed to grow one almond is... Frightening

Humans™: absolutely insisting on doing everything wrong, and that's a guarantee

20 November tyler james hill

some of our oldest writings contain instructions for what to do when someone inevitably shits in the well

No one wants a mid nut.

As a Georgian I will extol the virtues of the pecan all day long

See this is one more reason you're famous, because you create culturally important memes

20 November Oly 𓅺☭

How are pecans for water consumption while growing?

(I am all for more pecan adoption, they're lovely and G*d knows that part of the US can use the $$)

Tbh, we do have a great climate for almonds, warm dry summers, mild winters - the problem being you have to also provide them with unimaginable, unsustainable amounts of water we don't have.

Billionaires that sell them to China, the same ones that gave you Pom and Fiji Water. www.forbes.com/sites/chloes...

Billionaires Behind Pom Wonderful, Fiji Water Rename Company

Lynda and Stewart Resnick are renaming their business the Wonderful Company.

www.forbes.com

I think you've just happened upon why Gen Zers are having less sex, they care more about the quality of their nuts

Its all about water rights and the criminal behavior behind the manipulation.

I love almond milk, it’s the only alternative that I truly enjoy. I just wish it was being farmed somewhere sustainable. I empathize with Chidi.

Pecans ARE the superior nut.

I ask myself why I would destroy anything for a mid nut everyday.

Yes, I said it. And yes, I laughed too. Mid nut. We are all 12

I appreciate you Mara. Thanks for the smile on a bad day.

Lmao I almost missed it!

For those not in on the joke: “mid nut” sounds like “Midna” from Twilight Princess!

How dare you. I'm 11 at best

the worst time to get a phone call

Mid 12

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MID-NUT IN THE GARDEN OF GOOD AND EVIL

I'd watch this reboot.

🤣🤣🌌🌰

a lotta people do a lotta things just for a mid nut lets be real

Well, people do a lot of dumb things for, at best, a mid nut.

Isn't the actual answer to this Cesar Chavez? Like, because Chavez, California's food distribution is so much better than the rest of the country that whatever they decide to distribute is what gets done?

20 November Ash McGonigal

And come to think of it I see a lot of corn and wheat and sunflowers in my backyard at other times of year and yet I never see made in Kansas on my food unless I hunt for the local stuff.

Afghanistan has an ideal climate for growing almonds, too (not to mention their own looming climate crisis).

Pecan is a god tier nut. Up there with pistachio.

👎

(The thumbs down I posted was meant for a pro-chiefs post not this one.)

Pecans are fab

Mmmm pistachio

literally they're amazing raw, roasted, burnt. they're lil nut miracles.

My father in law used to have a pecan tree in his gardn that produced so many of the nuts that it was actually inconvenient. Any time we'd go over when the trees were in season we'd spend an hour or so gathering nuts just so the lawn was clear enough for him to mow it.

Yeah, we had a couple of pecan trees, a fig tree, and a crabapple tree. Mowing the yard was a bitch.

20 November Ian Rennie

Oh, it's not so bad if you've got those handy basket-pickers on a pole. My parents and I would pick hundreds at a time in our front yard when I was little. Then we'd go sell the excess to the pecan company nearby.

And eat a lot ourselves.

as someone who grew up hitting an awful lot of rocks with a baseball bat or tennis racket, dream lol

My grandfather had a pecan tree in his back yard. He'd collect them all in GIANT bags and when we came over, we'd all sit in front of the television while he watched... whatever it was he watched (news, probably) and crack pecans to add to bags that he'd store in the freezer. Days and days of fun...

Ah, big dif from my life; I'd consider mowing part of the clearing. My grandad spent a lot of time re-sharpening the mower blade.😆

I’m on board with the “why almonds” crowd, right up to the point where I remember that almonds make marzipan and frangipane, and other nuts are really not in the same league there.

Yeah marzipan absolutely slaps, it is true.

21 November

Lightens sponges too... Got a great role in baked goods. Toast them on almond croissants yum.

I don't understand this at all. Almonds are delicious, marzipan is gross and pecans are rubbish. I agree re pistachios tho

I will pray for you.

I've never seen such bad opinions in rapid succession, I am joining the prayer circle while also eating some pecans

21 November Craig Koniges

Not even on twitter? Oof

Well, maybe I was speaking in hyperbole

21 November Craig Koniges

#teamalmond

This is a terrifyingly intense collection of bad opinions.

21 November It's the Most McDuffal Tiiiime of the Yeeaaarr!

I might add that to my bio tbh

My work here is done

I rejoice in the onset of marzipan season at my local Lidl.

21 November Elizabeth Rambo

That's correct!!

i feel like the global ecosystem could surely support enough almonds for all the pasty and confectionery needs of the world if we limited their use to such sensible and necessary applications

21 November

Pecans are superior to any other nut. However I don't think growing them in New Mexico as a cash crop is sustainable. They require much more than the average rainfall here provides.

My child, who hates nuts, loves pistachios.

The forced pollination of all of these almond groves is killing entire bee populations as well.

Pecans are the superior nut in every way

I hate how it's become the most commonly available non-dairy milk, too. I see it more often than even soy now...

Oatmilk. Can we just get oatmilk? Please?

One thing I realized when I became an adult and was travelling around the state of Arkansas for work -- We waste so much random land on so many seemingly random crops. I refuse to believe vast swaths of Arkansas are only useful for growing soybeans and rice or w/e.

"A mid nut" can describe so many motivations 😴

Isn’t some ridiculous portion of the almonds used by a single family, anyway?

Ah yes. The same people that own Fiji water. Exploiting cheap water is literally their whole thing.

Meet the California couple who uses more water than every home in Los Angeles combined

How megafarmers Lynda and Stewart Resnick built their billion-dollar empire.

www.motherjones.com

The rest of the world eats much better almonds and pistachios from Iran

Thank you for sharing this dose of nut science, this is filled with loads of good info

that's nuts

What's wrong with Oats, Americans?

Pecans are such a top tier snack and I will argue about it! Way better mouthfeel than almonds.

I like almonds but I'm willing to pay a higher price for them to be imported from a place that has a more appropriate growing environment. I don't currently drink plant milks so I have no opinion on them.

I have an uncle who moved from Arkansas to Buttonwillow, CA and raised almonds. I wonder if his sons are still doing it...

No one is ready for the nut discourse 🙌😔

Pecan milk sounds delicious.

Mara I've done a lot more than destroying a state the size of California for a mid nut

::Morrissey voice:: “Pecans are better than almonds, pecans are better than almonds”

Almonds do taste better than pecans though