Platformer is leaving Substack www.platformer.news/p/why-platfo...
Platformer is leaving Substack www.platformer.news/p/why-platfo...
Looking forward to following Platformer on its new platform
thanks Ravin!
Good for you. This is the correct choice and I know it isnโt the easiest one. I am so glad that you are making it.
Y'all do great work. We'll follow along wherever Platformer lands ๐
thanks bill!
No prob. Your move pushed me to set up with micro.blog in a month (email lists can be imported after 30 days). I like their community standards and fediverse social integration. New domain, same newsletter blog name. February โ๏ธ๐ฟ
i am literally struggling through making my own website because i refuse to host my new blog on substack
good on platformer
congrats!
Thank you.
The right choice.
Glad Substack walked back some of their Nazi coddling. But it is clear they need to do more.
They have not. They deleted 5-6 substacks because of violations related to violent threats. They insisted that they will not be changing their "NAZIS WELCOME" policy.
They need to do a LOT, if they are to shun Nazis.
Starting with changing their policy on Nazis.
Originally, I thought that they actually did remove them all. Reading this โ-yah. I am clearly wrong.
I genuinely donโt get why they are still embracing Nazis.
Itโs monumentally stupid.
I think the answer is very very simple.
It is *very* profitable. Social media thrives on friction. Nazi vs. non-Nazi is a great catalyst for friction.
It's not profitable to cater to Nazis, hate groups, bigots, etc. Most people don't want to be around it and will leave. Look no further than Twitter for an example of of how unprofitable it is to give Nazis a platform and how quickly it can kill a business.
I agree, I think they thought they could juice thier platform to reach that kind of status, but I think they're going to end up as "Longform Gab"
(the status of conflict feeding engagement, but they were never Twitter in it's heyday, and its not 2015)
I've been hearing that about X for 18 months now. They keep adding white supremacists, recalling retired assholes like Alex Jones, Nick Fuentes, and the user base doesn't seem to desert them in meaningful numbers.
Musk doesn't need the money, so it is showing others that welcoming Nazis is okay.
ADL is still there despite Musk turning antisemite Maximus.
Celebrities remain.
Sure advertisers have fled for the moment, down to 50%, but watch out in a 2-3 months.
They'll return because the election season will be lit.
ADL is its own can of worms.
We are writing to ask you to reconsider the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) as a partner in social justice work. Many organizations in our communities find themselves in spaces with the ADL, using its an...
droptheadl.orgAlso they agree with them.
A case of "When someone tells you who they are, Believe Them"
Exactly. They are telling you that they will welcome Nazis.
And when asked to clarify, they doubled down.
At this point, you jave to assume they consider white nationalism a feature
Lol, lmao Substack had official dropped the bag
Intentionally coddled Nazis
THANK YOU!
Bravo!
thanks casey.
Where are you moving to?
Ghost but the URL will stay the same!
Good.
Really positively surprised by how many people actually are following through on moving out of that Nazi bar. ๐
Agreed. Substack is designed to leverage the users that feel the least pain (white, cis, usually male) with success, so they have to think hard about losing that "easy" ramp up and dopamine drip of engagement and subscribers.
It's only if the big accounts foment change that it will help.
Thank you for making the right choice.
Good on ya both.
Thank you Casey. May this spark a wave of other decent people leaving substack too.
Hell yeah Casey!
Thank you so much, absolutely the right call
Casey, I am grateful for the introspection and self-awareness in this post, as well as the clarity and tenor of your conclusions and commitments.
thanks emily!
Thank you for this.
Insert Morgan Freeman applauding dot gif.
thanks for leading by example ๐
You are doing the right thing, will follow along to Ghost. ๐๐พ๐๐พ๐๐พ
Good on ya!
Hey man, thank you for your principled stances on this and Twitter. Very grateful for your leadership.
thanks max
As someone who also made the move from Substack to Ghost, I was especially thankful for the section in which you sought the commitment from Ghost's co-founder about its content policies. When scouting, I figured this was the case but to have explicit confirmation is heartening to hear.
I am happy to hear this. off to Ghost.
By the way, for those of you considering the move, I've been there for less than a month and while Ghost may require just a bit of adjustment and a bit more tech know-how in places, its feature set is comparable. And did I mention they are transparent about their operating costs? ghost.org/about/
Ghost is also just software, not a platform/network. The real benefit to me is I can download the source code, put it on my server, and OWN my site.
If Ghost pulled a Substack, someone would fork the project and we would all get on with our lives and ignore Ghost the organization.
Pretty much. There's an escape hatch for the software because of its open source nature and you just explained it perfectly.
I'm personally past the days when I have the time or desire to self-host and tweak code, but the fact that it's possible was a factor in my choice.
good choice!
You all made the right choice, thanks for that. Iโm resubscribing
What is going wrong with substack? I used to like them, years ago, lately they are going off road. Weird.
I am a relatively new Substack user (reader), just settling in after leaving the X shitshow. Sigh. Itโs incredibly annoying to have to constantly worry about this. But for people trying to find a stable place to do business, itโs very problematic.
Substack was designed to offer a platform to journalists, writersโฆso they get paid for their work. Used to be right in the middle, like the political party we donโt have ๐ did not mean to go political, but they were filling the blank โฆ unfortunately, not anymore
Atta boy
thanks ben
Thanks Casey, appreciate this and I hope the internet will find a way to build better models for writers, creative people, and journalists in the future. In the meantime, choices like this help
thank you!
Iโm just some random trying to find ๐tweeps in the Great Explosion from Twitter.
I didnโt know all this about Substack; all I knew was that Dan Rather was there.
Thank you for taking the time and effort to educate, maybe not consumers like me, but other creators.
Good luck. May your new home be๐ต๐ต๐
Digital high five
GG
well said, well done. ๐
Thank you for this. You and Ryan Broderick both leaving will be a huge impetus for similar creators to leave and might actually cause the sea change needed to drive a meaningful user exodus from Substack.
Is this cause @zitron.bsky.social was mean in their news letter
The right call. It sucks to be treated like a platformโs on call content moderators. Not civil societyโs job, not journalistsโฆ
Bravo! Wishing you every success possible. All it takes is a few good people to walk away from that which is obviously unacceptable for others less brave to follow suit.
Thank you for doing the right thing.
I was a free subscriber previously and finally plunked down real live money today ;) thanks and congratulations. Now, how do I get to your discord?
Glad your organization made the right choice instead of the easy choice.
You gave them every chance, literally led them to the "do the barest minimum of not evil" good on you
I'm sorry, but not at all surprised, that you approached Substack in good faith, and they did not respond in kind. But thank you for the advocacy and pushing this as far as you did. Know that's not always a comfortable place for a journalist to be.
Tell us the truth: you saved this until Thursday night because you knew it would make outstanding podcast content, right?
(Also ๐๐)
Awesome. Fuck Nazis and fuck substack.
Glad to see it and of course will follow to any new home!
Bravo!
Sad it had to come to this, but looking forward to your landing. Thanks for all the great reporting
Way. To. GO! Thank you, Casey.
Will you let us know when the move officially happens? I want to move my subscription to a paid tier, but I donโt want Substack to get any of my money.
This is the right thing to do. Thank you for the integrity and balls to do this.
Thanks Casey. I'll subscribe once you're on Ghost!
Iโm disappointed because I quite like Substackโs product. Disappointed in Substack. Thank you for sticking to your values. I hope the other publications I read follow suit.
Great statement! While acknowledging that there were some valid concerns with how you initially communicated things and how the steps you took could be interpreted (as you mention), I think your handling of this has been great overall and I'm sorry for what must have been a great deal of stress!
Thank you.
Could you please explain more for those not in the know?
veknam this post is almost 3,000 words
3,000 words is approximately 30 milli-Ackmans.
Here's a somewhat shorter summary:
www.theverge.com/2024/1/11/24...
Thank you
I think a general tldr would be: substack was called out for not removing hate speech from its platform, casey rightly wonโt support a nazi-embracing platform, thus platformer is relocating to a non-nazi-supporting platform
A key word being "supporting". With the advent of recommendations and networking they moved from being a platform on which nazis existed to something else, which for casey changed things
This post may help you to get some context: notes.ghed.in/posts/2024/s...
Glad you're doing this. Looking forward to supporting you on your new platform!
Thank you for being transparent throughout this the whole process.
Will you still have an RSS feed?
yup though need to figure out what it is
It's a way for apps to automatically find any new content
Ghost gang ๐ค
yesssssss
This is just superb writing. Thank you for your and @zoeschiffer.bsky.socialโs work. Iโm impressed.
Hell yeah. Time to resubscribe, everyone!
Are you going to unblock all the writers who criticized you for the "resolves the primary concern" wording you now admit was woefully wrong?
Thank you for making the right choice. This will win me back.
It's unlikely that I will join this.
Having been a subscriber for a few years, I value what Substack does.
It's a shame you don't see how important it is to the internet, and to helping reduce the over-capitalised nature of the web in 2024.
Define hate.
Proud of you for moving off the platform, Iโve started calling it โNaziNewslettersโ (I know itโs not all nazis but this is my free speech, come at me stackbros).
Which now brings me to the business opportunity that is DomStack..
Sign. And of course Substack just charged me for another month.
Will you get any of that money? If so Iโll keep it. But if you already canceled on the backend and will get none of it, Iโll ask for a refund.
I donโt want my money going to supporting Nazis or Nazi apologists. (Not you โ Substack)
yes we will โ payments should all be sorted by tomorrow; we needed an extra day to port all the new subscribers from the weekend. thanks for your patient ๐
Gotcha. Iโll keep it then. Looking forward to the new platform.
yay!
Ghost Is a great choice. Hope others creatore superstars will follow your track
Well done @caseynewton.bsky.social - I'll follow !
Why Platformer is leaving Substack ๐ www.platformer.news/p/why-platfo...
Weโve seen this movie before โ and we wonโt stick around to watch it play out
www.platformer.news
Platformer is leaving Substack. www.platformer.news/p/why-platfo...
Garbage Day is leaving Substack. www.garbageday.email/p/its-time-t...
Glad to see good newsletters take the effort to move away from a platform that doesn't have a problem with serving Nazis.
This is a good piece from Platformer about why they're leaving Substack and heading to Ghost. I'm doing the same.
www.platformer.news/p/why-platfo...
Weโve seen this movie before โ and we wonโt stick around to watch it play out
www.platformer.newsReally good stuff from the Platformer decision-to-leave-Substack email (whole thing here: www.platformer.news/p/why-platfo...)
I get the impression that Substack saying "We won't change anything, but we'll boot these tiny, unread Nazi accounts just to please you" doesn't end with Platformer following through and leaving Substack, Platformer probably isn't going to leave Substack
archive.ph/ZtpYW
Substack exodus continues. Platformer is migrating to Ghost, one of the better newsletter platforms out there www.platformer.news/p/why-platfo...
Weโve seen this movie before โ and we wonโt stick around to watch it play out
www.platformer.news
Platformer: Substack now says it will remove Nazi publications from the platform
www.platformer.news/p/substack-s...
Nazi content violates rules against incitement to violence, the company says
www.platformer.newsGood for Platformer leaving Substack - a publication that literally launched on the newsletter app. Details from @caseynewton.bsky.social in the quoted post above and link below. Oh, and shout-out to @davidmoscrop.bsky.social for moving his work off Substack too. www.platformer.news/p/why-platfo...
Weโve seen this movie before โ and we wonโt stick around to watch it play out
www.platformer.news
Here is why Platformer is leaving Substack. It's an eye opening read and worth the time.
Also important to note that Platformer really tried to work with Substack for improvements and sadly Substack chose to just double down in a passive weak sauce way.
www.platformer.news/why-platform...
Weโve seen this movie before โ and we wonโt stick around to watch it play out
www.platformer.news
Update here - Platformer is leaving Substack and @caseynewton.bsky.social has comprehensively explained the move, as well as done a good job explaining why he moved to Ghost.
www.platformer.news/p/why-platfo...
My first newsletter of the year is about Substack's categorical failure to deal with their nazi problem, and how outlets like Platformer are, by striving for 'objectivity' and accepting Substack's framing, helping empower racists and bigots.
tinyurl.com/wyea011024
At the end of a newsletter back in 2022, I retold a story shared by Michael B. Tager about a situation in a crust-punk bar, where he watched somebody get thrown out almost immediately on entering: The...
tinyurl.comLol. I hadn't realized that the very first image that Substack shows on its app is for Platformer (who is now leaving Substack). Here's the Android image.
Hats off for this @caseynewton.bsky.social !
The Platformer Newsletter is leaving Substack.
Weโve seen this movie before โ and we wonโt stick around to watch it play out
www.platformer.news
Platformer is leaving Substack and migrating to Ghost!
If you planning on migrating your own newsletter away from Substack, @buttondown.email is a great alternative newsletter platform!
www.theverge.com/2024/1/11/24...
I think that first is putting words in platformers mouth. Platformer set their own threshold for staying on, and have decided it is now met. www.platformer.news/p/substack-s...
Casey Newton says that Platformer will meet with Substack in hopes that Substack will remove pro-Nazi content, and that Platformer plans to leave if Substack doesn't. (Platformer)
A New York Times lawsuit wonโt be the last challenge to LLMsโ free-riding. PLUS: A note on Substack and Nazis
www.platformer.newsPlatformer made the right ask but then caved. Substack didn't cave. Platformer caved.
One of my greatest frustrations I have with media properties is that they often (at the most important times) eschew their responsibility to the reader. Newton failed his readers by failing to hold Substack accountable on Platformer. It's disgraceful.
tinyurl.com/wyea011024
Kudos to Platformer. I know they have the foundation of users to easily make that move, but it's good to see it happening.
www.platformer.news/p/why-platfo...
Weโve seen this movie before โ and we wonโt stick around to watch it play out
www.platformer.news
PLATFORMER DEPLATFORMS
www.platformer.news/p/why-platfo...
Weโve seen this movie before โ and we wonโt stick around to watch it play out
www.platformer.newsTech industry blog Platformer has said it is leaving Substack as a result of a row over how to moderate pro-Nazi content. Editor Casey Newton said it will join Ghost instead. www.platformer.news/p/why-platfo...
Weโve seen this movie before โ and we wonโt stick around to watch it play out
www.platformer.newsSubstack keeps the Nazis, loses Platformer - https://www.theverge.com/2024/1/11/24035338/substack-nazis-platformer-newsletter-switch-to-ghost
A platformer leaves Substack and switches to Ghost because he doesn't trust Substack to publicly commit to actively removing pro-Nazi material. (Platformer)
Weโve seen this movie before โ and we wonโt stick around to watch it play out
www.platformer.news
"Platformer will save tens of thousands of dollars a year by no longer having to share 10 percent of its revenue with Substack."
www.platformer.news/p/why-platfo...