Met a Leiden native
Alex Mazur — Met a Leiden native
Your skeets are almost making me look up if leiden means the same in dutch as it does in german
No, the German “leiden” is Dutch “lijden”. Pronounced the same as Dutch “leiden”, to lead, or Leiden, a city in South Holland, originally course. You see, Dutch is a very serious language, and the Dutch are a very serious people
No, the cognate of the German “leiden” is Dutch “lijden”. Pronounced the same as Dutch “leiden”, meaning "to lead", or Leiden, a city in South Holland, of course course. You see, Dutch is a very serious language, and the Dutch are a very serious people
I was confused but your rephrased reply explains it well, so thanks :)
Sorry, i had too much jenever tonight.
German leiden = suffer
Dutch lijden = suffer
Dutch leiden = lead
Dutch Leiden = a city in Holland
all these words are pronounced the same way
Yeah I got that from your rephrased reply ^^
If you think "did they just take one word from English and another from German", let me introduce you to "question" the Dutch word is vraag, except that in a more philosophical sense, or in the sense of "the person in question", the Dutch word in kwestie
"former" in German is "ehemalig". Naturally the Dutch word is voormalig
Ehemalig can also be vormals in German
Ehemalig can also be vormalig in German
look I only studied German for one year and it was a long time ago and almost a lie by now so..
Yikes what is your excuse for studying German in the first place
Why not? My mother speaks some German and has a few German-language books about kaliningrad, so...
I never really learned it, but I never learned anything else apart from English properly so...
Oh okay, that's a valid excuse (Sorry, expressing my dislike for german to anyone who learns or wants to learn it completely voluntarily is just a very bad reflex of mine ^^)
I wasn't thinking that in this case specifically since dutch lead is actually very close to german lead (leiten) as well, but lol
tbh, Dutch has more Gallicisms than German.... recently my energy company told me that "Energie besparen is namelijk goed voor het milieu en uw portemonnee." (Dutch -lijk = German -lich)
Love that you explained -lijk which feels very intuitive from a german-speaking pov :) (meanwhile Milieu -> Umwelt did take a few seconds)
(Milieu means environment in a social sense in German)
and in English
Lol yeah that too
it's even more intuitive if you know it's pronounced as "-lik", and Upper German "ch" is consistently the same as Lower German "k" (machen - maken, ich - ik, etc)
i guess from my non-german pov it's easier to guess that milieu can be natural, and not social environment than understand what does "namely" do there
Yeah that makes sense ^^ (I mean the pov difference, german speakers use namely a lot even in english, to a cringe extent)
eh... as long as it's not as frequent as French "actually", it's fine
It's weird to me how Dutch and Swedish use that (likewise, the Swedish green party is called Miljöpartiet) but English uses a different French borrowing.
English also has "surroundings", which is another French borrowing (with two Germanic suffixes attached)
English also has "surroundings", which is yet another French borrowing (with two Germanic suffixes attached)
(actually plural -s might be a French borrowing itself)
I mean German kind of too?
Umwelt <> Surrounding (world) <> Environment
Oh and interesting that milieu apparently spread to Portuguese too
the general story of English is that in the Middle English stage it lost most Germanic prefixes (and the vestiges are mostly unproductive) and replaced all of the various words with them with French borrowings.
This Chirstian text from the 1920s (that seems to be a light edit of the 15th century book) is about the only mention of the English cognate of the German um- that I can find (in the verbs umbeset and umbelap: www.ccel.org/ccel/r/rolle...)
The cognate to the German um-, umbe- existed in Middle English but is definitely dead in Modern English
No, the cognate of the German "leiden" is Dutch "lijden", to suffer. Of course it is a homonym of the Dutch "leiden", to lead, or Leiden, a city in South Holland.
Dutch is a very real and serious language for some very serious people
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